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Curiosity kill the cat

Discussion in 'Please Tell Us What You Think' started by Luis Martin, Nov 19, 2003.

  1. Luis Martin Moderator

    Since I have to wait 3 months to be in race for prize, I review new rules and something is not clear to me, and may be unfair for those who are actually in race.<br /><br />Supose the following situation:<br /> <br />Some members has 90% of post helping others and 10% looking for help, and others has 15% helping others and 85% looking for help.<br /><br />Supose both has equal number of post. Who will be the winner?.<br /><br />This came to my mind when I can´t slip, like today[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-6.gif' alt=':(' />] <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Luis Martin<br /><br />...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true. <br />Bertrand Russell
  2. satya Moderator

    New rules for prize competition is intended to give chance to others and this month's winners are barred to win but not restricted to extend their help in the forum and still their contribution is recognised as Brad does every week.

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    Satya SKJ
    Moderator
    SQL-Server-Performance.Com
  3. Luis Martin Moderator

    May be I was not clear, I'm not refering to those (like you, Gaurav, even me) who is evident the effort to help others, prize or not.




    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  4. ChrisFretwell New Member

    I think I understand what you are asking. Basically, your asking if person A & B are tied with 100 posts each, but person A's posts are mostly ones answering questions and person B's are mostly asking, are they both considered equal?

    From reading the rules, I believe the answer is yes. Without person B to ask the questions, there would be nothing for person A to answer. Both are contributing to the continuation, popularity and information of the forum, which I beleive is one of the goals.

    Also, from reading past archives etc, people like you and Satya and the other moderators will continue to answer questions whether provided reward motivation or not. You posted lots before the contests started, hopefully you will continue to do so, even in months when you dont qualify. The contest will encourage people who are 'check it out only when I have a specific problem' to check each day and share their knowledge, even when they dont have a question.

    There will likely be people who will only post when they 'qualify', but in the end those people will lose out. I find that for myself, reading other people questions makes me think and in thinking I may learn someting new. If I can, I'll answer a question, prize or no prize. And if I have a question, I'll post it. Although for me, I'll also search the net, BOL, M$ and texts for a solution before I ask, not because I dont think I'll get a good answer, but because I like to figure things out.

    And also, I think from reading the rules, that you do qualify, this month. I think Brad said that the rules are in place as of November, so everyone qualifies in November, even those who won in October. You still qualify this month. Good luck!

    Chris
  5. Luis Martin Moderator

    Cris:

    I appreciate your answer, I'm not agree with you in A, B examples, but differents oppinions improve our lives.
    In your case (48 post) I understand more question than answers. How about 200?.
    New rules start in November, and I was one of the winners in october, so I don't qualify until next year. (May be I miss something)
    If I was wrong, I refuse any prize in November. I really believe that prizes must go to people who help others.



    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  6. bradmcgehee New Member

    I'll try to clear up these questions.

    Since the new rules started in November, I decided that it was only fair that it start as if it were a new contest, which means that everyone can still participate this month and win. But in December, that is when the three month wait will occur for winners of the November contest.

    In regards to how posts are counted, I count "quality" posts, including both questions and answers. I feel both questions and answers are important, and I want to encourage both. Up to this point, the people who have won have won because of their answers, not because of their questions, but this could be the other way around in the future, but I imagine that it would be rare.

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    Brad M. McGehee, MVP
    Webmaster
    SQL-Server-Performance.Com
  7. ChrisFretwell New Member

    Actually, I've posted more responses than questions, in fact, I think I've only asked 2-3 questions, the rest of my posts were helping (or attempts to help). I've only got 48 posts because I only found this forum a couple of months ago. I post regularly on the sswug group and have for several years now, been a dba for over a decade and hope to get my MCT in the next year or so to start teaching. I love helping, not just in sql.

    Check out this thread, this says you do qualify in November. The second last comment is from Brad. New rules start in November, so the 'you cant win for 3 months' only begins to apply to those who win in November. So keep posting. If you win in November, then you'll have to wait until March to win again. If you chose to pass up your prize, then I'm sure someone will be more than happy to take it.

    http://www.sql-server-performance.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2246

    I undertand why you want prizes to go more to those who help. I'm sure Brad, the prize contributors and admin (if any) and performance.com went over it many, many times to come up with the rules. And if they find that they dont work, or people abuse them, then they may change them in future months. Brad already has to review posts to figure out which are 'information' not just 'thanks' or 'I agree with' posts so I'm sure he'll get an idea of what goes on out there and provide direction for change if its necessary in the future. Whether I agree with it or not is mute, the contest is designed to encourage posting and return visits to the forum. None of the other forums/mailing lists offer prizes for posting (questions or answers) so this is new ground that is being broken.

    Thanks for the discussion. You're right, different opinions, force us to think and rethink. Thinking is good (most of the time)
  8. satya Moderator

    I have used this site as a visitor for about 3 years, since November 2002 when Forum has started then as contributor. I have been really impressed with the way it has expanded as a result of being found to be such a useful tool.

    Also, the knowledge and willingness to help of its members has increased greatly since I first visited and that has only made the Forum stronger. At one time there seemed to be a shortage of contributors willing and able to provide answers and it was very hard to find sufficient time to spend on the site to address the increasing volume of queries.

    Now the experience and talent actively balancing in the Forums means I feel queries will/are answered expertly and rapidly. This sort of growth and the comments of many of the preceding contributors are the best evidence of its success and strength.

    Brad has started this prize contest from April 2003 and since then contribution of posts have been doubled.

    In response to Luis comments and Brad's clarification its a request that people post that allow us to extend our knowledge and broaden skills in SQL Server arena.

    I personally appreciate all the contributors and originators of the threads who post a question, which provides me opportunity with a wider grasp of issues and led me to investigate whole areas I would probably never have seen if I had just been training or even concentrating on Administration in SQL server. Without these people I would not have the oppportunity to push myself beyond what I'd experienced in this IT field.

    So the new change in rules will enhance quality of the forum.


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    Satya SKJ
    Moderator
    SQL-Server-Performance.Com
  9. FrankKalis Moderator

    Piggy-backing on satya, I strongly believe that nothing pushes your knowledge more than replying to questions. Also I think it is pure fun. And I think receiving a price not really important at all.
    You know, it's more of a 'nice to have'. Or would any of you not post anymore, if there weren't prices to win?

    Frank
    http://www.insidesql.de
    http://www.familienzirkus.de
  10. Luis Martin Moderator

    In fact, Frank, I suppose I was out of race in this month.
    I wrote original post because that. My intention was favorate people like you, who came to Forum more frequently to help, than get help.



    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  11. FrankKalis Moderator

  12. Luis Martin Moderator

    No, Twan offer me once, no IIS either.


    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  13. FrankKalis Moderator

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