SQL Server Performance

Dell SQL Server Advisor Tool

Discussion in 'SQL Server 2005 Performance Tuning for Hardware' started by joechang, May 7, 2007.

  1. joechang New Member

    apparently the Dell web site now dispenses advice on how to configure a server system (from Dell) for SQL Server

    try starting from:
    www.dell.com/sql

    then look for a SQL Server Advisor tool
    or some thing like it

    it asks some questions, then proposes a complete solution
    including the hardware configuration

    my 2 cents and then some
    now it is not that i want to or enjoy critizing/ridiculing some one elses work
    (disclaimer: there are those that might disagree with above statement, but they misunderstand my intent)

    but, based on a quick look and a few input option
    the recommended configuration is totally ridiculous

    stick with my advice in the post below
    http://www.sql-server-performance.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15002

    whoever came up with the hw proposal cannot have any meaning hw performance credentials,
  2. bradmcgehee New Member

    This is interesting. Based on my experimentation with this tool, I think it would be best to call this a sales tool for Dell designed by them to sell you the most hardware and services you can afford. It would be nice to see a more realistic tool, as such a tool would prove useful.

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    Brad M. McGehee, SQL Server MVP
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  3. joechang New Member

    actually my complaint was that it undersold on disk performance
    i have other complaints but this is the key

    basically they are recommending storage on capacity only
    which is the stupidest approach to HW configuration there is
    this is probably a major reason so many of their customer have serious performance problems on following their advice

    My view is there are 3 meaningful Dell configurations for decent SQL performance, cost driven

    1. PowerEdge 2900 with 10 internal 15K 73GB disks - $5-9K depending reasonable CPU & memory options
    2. PowerEdge 2900, 2 Quad Core procs, 8-16GB, internal disk
    a. + 2 ext MD1000 $20K
    b. + 4 ext MD1000 $31K
    3. PowerEdge 68xx/69xx, 4 Dual Core procs etc (either Intel or AMD procs)
    a. + 4 ext MD1000 $39K
    b. + 8 ext MD1000 $61K

    based on the current discount offered on the MD1000 w/ 15Kx73G at approx $5,500

    the 2 socket Quad Core today will almost as much compute power as the 4 socket Dual Core, (probably withing 10-15%)
    so there is no real reason to get the current 4 scoket
    except for the higher 64GB max mem config (also cheaper to reach 32GB with 2GB DIMM)
    or for the 7 PCI-E slots on the 6950 Opteron system

    Option 1 provides basic disk IO performance
    Option 2 provides medium to high disk perf
    Option 3 provides serious disk perf
  4. joechang New Member

    it turns out HP also has some equally silly hardware recommendations

    the seriously disgusting thing about this is the both Dell and HP (especially HP) have serious performance experts who know full well where hardware bottlenecks are
    and generally how to alleviate the key bottlenecks

    yet do the marketing people bother to go to their own experts?

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