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discrimination with no intent

Discussion in 'Forum Announcements' started by jhermiz, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. jhermiz New Member

    THis is the email I get from SQL-SERVER this morning:

    "Hello Jon,

    I'm writing to inform you that I have decided to set your status on SSP to a standard user and not a moderator. There has been a bit of friction of late and your moderating on the forum does not seem to be working out for either of us.


    Best regards,
    Jude O'Kelly

    Sql-Server-Performance.com
    1901 60th Place E.
    Suite L7710
    Bradenton, Florida 34203
    USA "

    This abuse is uncalled for as the topic I had created 2 weeks ago clearly stated that mods should e-mail other mods in case topics are locked. Luis, a forum moderator, abused this and went off on his own and locked the thread. The topic was discussed and all was fine. It appears luis complained of the issue and contacted Jude. Jude then locked my account.

    I will investigate this matter some more and if no response is given to me, as I have emailed Jude and expect a response. THe original thread got my point across and all was fine. There was no reason to lock / re instate a status on my profile as you have illegally done. This is in fact discrimination if you are not aware of it. The laws of the community hold for internet forums as well.

    I will further take action against the discrimination that has played a role here on this site.



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  2. judehk New Member

    Just want to clarify one thing. Luis never contacted me to request any sanction, also Luis was not contacted for his input in this matter (nothing personal in this, I just didn't want to drag Luis into this any more). I did get input from other Mods who were all of the opinion that the Moderator status should be changed.
  3. Roji. P. Thomas New Member

    OK, just out of curiosity. will someone care to explain what qualifies someone to become a moderator and what are the responsibilities?

    Roji. P. Thomas
    SQL Server MVP
    http://toponewithties.blogspot.com
  4. FrankKalis Moderator

    Roji, you've asked for it... [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt=';)' />]<br /><br />Jon, it was me, who raised this topic in a private forum here. My main motivation to question your status as a mod was your frequency of posting. As of today you have made 34 postings or 0,11 postings per day. Ignoring Satyas' post count at the moment, there are many non-mod members who post at a much higher rate. Although there is no prefixed number of postings to be made for a mod, it appears to me that a mod is someone who literally moderates a forum. This is not necessarily someone who is very knowledgeable in his area (though ideally he should be), but (including, but not limited to):<br /><br />- Someone who is willing to spend a fair amount of his time moderating this fora and care about this community. <br />- Someone who replies to topics not yet answered in order to bring them back to the active topics page. <br />- Someone who verifies that threads are opened in their appropriate place and moves, or locks threads, if appropriate. <br />- Someone who cools down folks when discussions become heated. That is someone who exhibits a certain level of communication skills.<br />- and, last, but not least, someone who answers questions that effectively help other members and therefore is a respected member of the community.<br /><br />Compared to other folks here, and in my very own opinion, you have done a less than should-be job on these "tasks" in the past. I'm not sure, if you know that, but I'm also a member of SQLTeam.com, though I rarely post there. Recently I've noticed that you've settled your troubles there and started to post again. And from what I've seen there you post at almost a higher rate than here. And this although in the meantime there where quite a few questions regarding Reporting Services here, for which you opted to be a mod. This is not acceptable to me. I have no problem when someone is active in more than one community at a time. I do the same. I have also no problem when someone posts more to another community than he posts here. But it is not okay for me, if you post to another community and ignore postings here in your special area of interest and still believe your status is frozen and you can stay a mod. There are mods here as well, who also have not the highest post frequency, but everytime a question in their area of moderation is raised, they are there and answer that questions. Think about it for a moment!<br /><br />To finish, may I give an advice to you? Don't make the same mistake as you've did on SQLTeam.com! I, for one, do know you too less, to say if I like you or not. So, my thinking has nothing to do with you as a person. If you however think you're subject to discrimination, well, you rightfully can do so. However, as you've mentioned the "laws of the community" yourself, please note that in most well running communities, it's the will of the majority that drives the decisions. And this is exactly what has happened here.<br /><br />--<br />Frank Kalis<br />Moderator<br />Microsoft SQL Server MVP<br />Webmaster:<a target="_blank" href=http://www.insidesql.de>http://www.insidesql.de</a>
  5. Adriaan New Member

    If Jon's moderator status has been cancelled because he (appears to have) neglected his duties as a mod for Reporting Services, then it is certainly not discrimination. But it shouldn't be a majority-driven decision either.

    To an outsider, there does seem to be a large group of moderators here on SSP.
  6. satya Moderator

    From time to time we are considering a refresh of the Moderator status and (if possible) welcome active members who are willing to moderate the forum sections, if I remember correctly we do this once in a year. Taking the amount of time in participation by members here it is good to encourage them in our community.

    In this particular case there are no personal reasons and it is purely on activity on SSP.


    quote:Originally posted by judehk

    Just want to clarify one thing. Luis never contacted me to request any sanction, also Luis was not contacted for his input in this matter (nothing personal in this, I just didn't want to drag Luis into this any more). I did get input from other Mods who were all of the opinion that the Moderator status should be changed.

    Satya SKJ
    Microsoft SQL Server MVP
    Writer, Contributing Editor & Moderator
    http://www.SQL-Server-Performance.Com
    This posting is provided AS IS with no rights for the sake of knowledge sharing. The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind.
  7. jhermiz New Member

    No big deal, the reason I am posting more there frank is because SQLTeam is not full of a bunch of SPAM as well as advertising. There is too much advertising on this site so it is a dread to the end user. For instance, the intelli text ads, the banners, the email, it is just too much so it makes coming to this site kind of difficult to go to.<br /><br />BTW Frank I did see those posts in Reporting Services and did not answer them, no one is perfect and I did not know the answer to those posts hence I did not answer them. I never could understand how someone can rate someone else based on Post Count, that was merely stupid of you Frank <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />.<br /><br /><br />My Site: <a href='http://jhermiz.googlepages.com' target='_blank' title='http://jhermiz.googlepages.com'<a target="_blank" href=http://jhermiz.googlepages.com>http://jhermiz.googlepages.com</a></a><br />Great SQL Books:<br /><a href='http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/sqlbooks' target='_blank' title='http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/sqlbooks'<a target="_blank" href=http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/sqlbooks>http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/sqlbooks</a></a><br />Great Dot Net Books:<br /><a href='http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/dotnetbooks' target='_blank' title='http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/dotnetbooks'<a target="_blank" href=http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/dotnetbooks>http://jhermiz.googlepages.com/dotnetbooks</a></a>
  8. FrankKalis Moderator

    If you prefer more to post to SQLTeam.com, then I don't understand all that jazz you're currently celebrating here.

    [?]

    --
    Frank Kalis
    Moderator
    Microsoft SQL Server MVP
    Webmaster:http://www.insidesql.de
  9. jhermiz New Member

    Jazz?

    Excuse my ignorance but WTF are you talking about JAZZ?
    My posts are on topics in real world business, not in BS.
    You, Luis, and a few others here have fun laughing and talking about
    pointless things, like babies. The site should be geared towards getting business
    done by using SQL not about whose the best POSTER? Or who has the best post count.
    Its about helping people solve issues, in which you 2 rarely show. My posts are complete articles
    showing a problem and a solution. So all that Jazz you keep talking about might be some jazz you're listening to over in Bremmen ?


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  10. FrankKalis Moderator

    Sigh, I already suspected that this thread was heading this direction. Well, then...

    Jon, in my humble opinion there are very few things which make usenet preferrable over a webforum. However, there is one feature every good newsreader has and that has proven to be extremely valuable in situations like this:

    *plonk*

    --
    Frank Kalis
    Moderator
    Microsoft SQL Server MVP
    Webmaster:http://www.insidesql.de
  11. jhermiz New Member

    I figured you'd "plonk" out of this one, as you cannot remotely understand some of the work I deal with.
    When I make posts you come up with stuff like "whats up with all the jazz", why? Because you clearly do not understand how to help, or demonstrate to other users how to effectively use tools. I've seen some of your posts and I think this post summarizes just how mature and hard you work at SQL or any product for that matter - simply a quitter.



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  12. Roji. P. Thomas New Member

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  14. Adriaan New Member

    quote:Originally posted by Roji. P. Thomas


    quote:Originally posted by jhermiz

    Jazz?
    You, Luis, and a few others here have fun laughing and talking about
    pointless things, like babies. The site should be geared towards getting business
    done by using SQL not about whose the best POSTER? Or who has the best post count.
    Its about helping people solve issues, in which you 2 rarely show.
    Remember this thread?
    http://www.sql-server-performance.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13821


    Roji. P. Thomas
    SQL Server MVP
    http://toponewithties.blogspot.com
    Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes ...
  15. cb New Member

  16. madhuottapalam New Member

    I am new in SSP, I am a normal member and neutral spectator and this is not to please anybody or otherwise. I must say that these kind of language only help to deteriorate the situation. As far as I am concern , Iam active in almost 5 to 6 forums apart from SSP. I am a regular in SQLCon and SSP. But in all other forums I do post when I gets time. I think it should not be considered as a crime. Having said that, If I am assigned with a responsibility and If I have accepted that (I am not sure how these things happens here) then I should adhered to it. Being a moderator or normal member its hardly matters. Jhermiz, This kind of behavior will not help either you or others. Being a moderator does not endorse that you#%92re the master and all others are less qualified. I often noticed that, many experienced guys rarely post but when they post it has depth. You could have proved others wrong or bad (as u mentioning again and again) by the contribution you have made to the site. Let us show some level of maturity and stop this mud sledging.

    Madhu
  17. cb New Member

    If I have accepted that (I am not sure how these things happens here) then I should adhered to it.
    it looks like this is not met in this case and being this is an open forum you must give all interested parties to say what they feel.

    this is not end of the world and keep all your differences aside, as we all are here for a cause to seek help or help others. let us forget this topic and get on with your work here.

    There is no doubt that this site is great for help in addition to others over there.
  18. Adriaan New Member

    cb, this is all in response to jhermiz's posts, who is being rather hostile to the community here. I would say Madhu's response was perfectly civilized.
  19. cb New Member

    accept it, what i said too:
    this is not end of the world and keep all your differences aside, as we all are here for a cause to seek help or help others. let us forget this topic and get on with your work here.
  20. Adriaan New Member

    You didn't say much that Madhu hadn't already said. But agreed, let's drop the topic.
  21. cb New Member

    [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />] im not going to argue about what i said is more or less than others, good that everything 'must' be fair in war & love.
  22. Adriaan New Member

    You mentioned the war, but I think you got away with it.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt=';)' />][:0]

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