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Feedback on Forum Contest Requested

Discussion in 'Former Forum Contest' started by bradmcgehee, Oct 13, 2003.

  1. bradmcgehee New Member

    I would like feedback on how the current forum contest is being run.

    As you might imagine, I am limited in who will donate free software for the contest, and for the most part, the same companies participate each month. Because of this, the top monthly winners of the contest have more or less run out of free software to receive, as they have already received one copy of everything (not in all cases, but in many).

    One option I am considering is to change the contest to a random drawing instead of based on forum participation. By doing this, I am hoping to get more people to participate in the forum. But this may not be the best option. What do you think?

    Also, another variation of the contest is to still publish each month the top posters, as I am doing now, but only give away prizes randomly.

    Please post your suggestions here, and I will consider them all.



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  2. Luis Martin Moderator

    I don´t believe we have more people changing to a random. I note we are almost 10 frecuently helping other and us.
    In my case I´m working more in Forum because I have 512 since two weeks, instead dial up.
    Of course I would like to win some software. Simple razon: here u$s 500 means 5 times basic salary.
    In don't know what will be best option. Any decition you or Forum take will have my support.



    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  3. bambola New Member

    You could select it randomly, but nerrow the list to users that have at least x number of post (or you could go by percentage which will leave this x more vauge if you like), where x is *not* too high.

    Those who are motivated by the software will still make an effort to answer, people who post little but quality posts would be able to get into the list, and people who post very very few posts will be excluded.

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem with a random on all, but if you want to use this software to motivate people to participate, than random on all users does not seem like the best option.

    Bambola.
  4. ykchakri New Member

    Yes, I agree with Bambola. One of my strong motivation points to post in this forum is to win the free software. But then, the idea of highest number of posts may be mis-utilized reducing the quality of posts. So, if you pick a specific number of members with highest posts and then conduct a random drawing amongst them, I guess we are going to get the best of both worlds.
  5. bradmcgehee New Member

    So am I getting the impression that perhaps (and this is just still an idea), that perhaps the prizes would be randomly awarded, to let's say, from the top 10, 25, 50, ?) posters for the month?

    I am also still interested in any other suggestions and ideas.

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  6. Twan New Member

    Hi all,

    my motivation for posting is simply to help others.

    I think that a random pick of posters, regardless of the number of posts that month, may be a good incentive to come to the site (perhaps you could weight them by putting a person's name in once per 10, 20 or 50 posts or something)

    It is hard to do a prize per number of posts since it does encourage less helpful posts too... In other site they award points for the accepted answer. I think dbforum is one...?

    Cheers
    Twan
  7. satya Moderator

    My aim and motivation is to help others in this forum, as I gained equally (in terms of knowledge & s/w [8D]). Now its time to overhaul the conditions as this contest is running since April 2003 which would help more participants and I support all other opinions posted by fellow peers.

    And also exclude the participants who won most of the s/w prizes, such as me (as I don't mind). But would like to add-in if any new s/w prize is introduced.

    Twan, Experts Exchange forum is the one which awards points per reply post, not dbforums.


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  8. Twan New Member

    dbforums-expert exchange picky, picky <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt=';-)' /><br /><br />
  9. bradmcgehee New Member

    I am still looking for more input, and in a couple of days, put forth another suggestion, based on the feedback, and then get more feedback, before I make any final decisions. Thanks for your feedback.

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  10. bradmcgehee New Member

    I have thought things over, and considered your input. How about a solution like this:

    Award the prizes, as now, to the top forum posters each month, with the new feature that a winner can only win once every three months. For example, if this were the case for November, then all of the winners of the October contest would not be eligible for winning until 3 month later. At that time, they would again be eligible for a prize. This would allow more people to get prizes, and less chance that a particular person will be in a situation where they have already won all the available prizes and there is nothing else to choose.

    Also, each month, I will still list all of the top posters, but would designate them as eligible on ineligible for a prize that month. That way, people who post a lot will still get recognition. For example, I might put together a winner's list like this:

    --poster 1 (not elgible for prize until February 2004)
    --poster 2 (not elgible for prize until March 2004)
    --poster 3
    --poster 4 (not elgible for prize until February 2004)
    --poster 5
    --poster 6 (not elgible for prize until February 2004)
    --poster 7
    --poster 8
    --poster 9
    --poster 10

    In the above case, if there were 5 prizes available for the month, then posters 3, 5, 7, 8, and 9 would win prizes. Posters 1, 2, 4, and 6 would not receive a prize, but would still be recognized for all their hard work.


    What does everyone think about this idea?


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  11. Luis Martin Moderator

    No problem.



    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  12. ykchakri New Member

    That sounds good Brad. I know it's difficult But, It will be good if you can rate the posters based on the quality of their posts not just the quantity. For example, If you post a solution in response to a question and somebody else posts saying what you said is right, can you really consider that as a post ? I didn't mean to point fingers at anyone in particular. Just a thought.
  13. Twan New Member

    I'm ok with what ever is decided <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt=';-)' /><br /><br />Cheers<br />Twan
  14. Argyle New Member

    Sounds good to me too.

    /Argyle
  15. satya Moderator

    Aye... agree with quorum....

    Chakri, your note is already in place...
    The free prizes will be awarded to those forum members who provide the most quality posts to the forum (this includes questions and responses) throughout the entire current month. Any posts made before or after these dates won't count for this contest.

    Please note the word "quality." By this, the post has to be applicable to the category it is posted in, it should consist of at least a minimum of two sentences, and it must be useful information (or a thoughtful question). Thank-you posts and similar non-technical posts, don't count.

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  16. Luis Martin Moderator

    I suppose Brad intention is to get more people working in the Forum.
    So, if one guy find Forum 1rst time and began to help others, and help itself learning others post, we want that he must be smart (or high quality answer) when he try to help.
    All of us, I mean who write in this particular subject, have several month working, and have a great advantage over new member.
    Let me give you another example, suppose one guy who work only in development, and try to help in what he know. At end of month, he is in same condition (in order to get software) with people who know almost other topics. I presume he give up in short time.
    I agree with no count post like “Thanks or Agree with” but no with other kind of qualification.

    This is just a thought, I#%92ll support any decision.

    I hope my lack of English don#%92t misinterpret what I try to said.


    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  17. satya Moderator

    The new idea of Brad spells out that more people to involve in the forum and help each other, in any business its common to look out for new customers for expansion.

    At the end of month it is not count of posts mattered, the quality of replies by each participant.

    To be frank this is only the forum which is filled with well-mannered environment and respectful gestures towards each other.

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  18. bambola New Member

    I don't want to sound rude and what Brad decides to do is totally up to him. But I wouldn't want to <br />think he has to waste too much of his time checking the quality of our posts when he can write <br />another great article. <br /><br />Personally, and I believe many others here feel the same way, when I am making an effort to answer <br />posts I do it because it I enjoy "sequeling" and it gives me great pleasure knowing I could help. <br />I learn so much during the process and that's my real prize <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' /><br /><br />I do however understand how these prizes can motivate people to participate and Brad's reasons<br />to "use" them for this purpose. But I think that we should also remember the extra effort he puts <br />into it and be greatful. <br /><br />To your suggestion, Brad, I think it's the best so far. To my opinion it will motivate more poeple <br />to participate giving them more chance to win even when they did not make it to the top of the <br />list. It might "cost" you less posts from the winners, but all together it will balance well. Or so <br />I believe... It would also spare some of the frustration some might have felt if winners were chosen randomly.<br /> <br />In any case, I think it's a good idea that is worth a try.<br /><br />Bambola<br /><br />
  19. ykchakri New Member

    So, what I understand from you is, posts like 'I agree with that' or 'Yes do what he says' will not be considered towards the final count. If that's the case, my apologies for misunderstanding the whole process. And I'm also curious to know how do you filter these. Because what I've observed is every new post you add is increasing the count of posts under your name by 1.

  20. bradmcgehee New Member

    In regard to counting quality posts, what I do at the end of each month is to count the total posts for everyone, and see how close the total counts are for each potential winner. If one or more people are very close in the counts, then I scan through the posts to evaluate the "quality" of them, and them make a judgement call. But if the counts are way off, such as the top poster has 150 posts and the second top poster has 125, then I don't bother looking at the quality of the posts, and just assume that the quality of the posts would not affect the final outcome. Up to now, in almost all cases, there has been enough difference in counts among ranked posters that I haven't had much need to evaluate the quality of the posts.

    From the feedback so far, it looks like everyone is in more or less agreement with my new idea about only allowing a person to win once every three months. Now, one more question before I do this, should I start the November contest under these new rules, or start in the December contest?



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  21. satya Moderator

    I propose November contest get going with these new changes, rather we wait until another month. I believe forum will be bit stumpy in terms of usage during Chirstmas time.

    I think its primitive to apply rule on the current month's contest.

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  22. Luis Martin Moderator

    Agree with November, after Gaurav finish fishing.[8D]


    Luis Martin

    ...Thus mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
    Bertrand Russell
  23. bradmcgehee New Member

    So I will start with the new rules with the November contest, unless I hear anymore otherwise. Thanks for all of your input.

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