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Microsoft certifications

Discussion in 'The Lighter Side of Being a DBA' started by chopeen, Oct 14, 2004.

  1. chopeen Member

    <i>[I am not sure where to start this topic, so I'll try here.]</i><br /><br /><b>What do you think about Microsoft exams (like 70-228, 70-229, etc)?</b><br /><br />Do you take them? (How about passing? [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />])<br />Do you find them hard?<br />Do you think that they test skills really needed by a DBA?<br />Do they help you to get a better job / a raise?<br /><br />--<br /><br /><i>'You're so cute when you're frustrated.'</i> -- Interpol
  2. satya Moderator

    Do you take them?..
    I've always been severely circumspect of Microsoft certifications, in particular whether they accurately measure an individual's ability.

    Do you find them hard?
    I know of people who have studied for one day for MS certification exams using just sample exams and with very little practical experience with the tools and technologies but have sailed through the exam.

    Do they help you to get a better job / a raise?
    Personally I've tended to only undertake certification exams when they've been part of job goals set by managers that might affect pay raises!

    For preperation point of view I feel at over a 1000 pages of book certainly covers more ground than is strictly necessary to pass the exam so it depends how much time you have to devote to your study. You will also need to undertake practice exams whether purchased separately, with a book, or downloaded from the Internet. A good representative set of practice questions with explanations is probably the most efficient use of preparation time.

    For the small organisation a further reason for undertaking MS certification is to gain MS Partner status with the various benefits this offers. The savings you make simply on MSDN subscriptions justifies the cost of Microsoft Partnership.

    If you're preparing to take the 70-228 or 70 229 exams, you've probably already seen the wide array of preparation materials on the shelves of your local bookstore or on web for preperation tests.

    Finallyhttp://www.sql-server-performance.com/test_prep.asp - Brad's reference &http://www.dbazine.com/fosdick1.shtml link on these certifications.

    HTH

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  3. bradmcgehee New Member

    Tough question, with more opinions that good answers. So here's my opinion, for what it's worth. I have taken and passed 31 different certification tests, so I do know a little about them.

    I don't think the DBA-related tests do all that well of testing the knowledge you need to be a good DBA, but we are stuck with them as they are.

    Overall, I think they are tough for most people, especially if you are new as a DBA. Preparing for one is a good review of your skills, and also helps you to pick up some new skills at the same time.

    Certifications can help getting a job and getting promotions, but they are not absolutely required, in most cases. Experience is probably more important than certifications.

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  4. FrankKalis Moderator

    I am preparing for those right now. <br />Just for fun, not that I actually need them (when you look at my job you realize why). <br />I don't expect anything from this exams. They certainly don't make you a better DBA, developer or whatever and prove only the fact that you have passed them. Which shouldn't be impossible when you look at the bunch of preparation material (legal and not so legal) you get on the net. The rest is simple studying. I am tempted to say you only need very few experience as a DBA or DB developer to pass.<br /><br />The original training books are nice to read, full of screenshots, contain several mistakes and are generally not that difficult. But most of all, they are too expensive for what they offer in return (My company paid for them, so it didn't hurt me anyway [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />]). There must be more on the actual exams than there is in those books. <br />I am thinking that practise exams will do a better job on preparation than the books. They also get you acquitant with the style of the exams. <br />You should spent time on the more obscure topics (to me, anyway) like DTS, Replication, XML and all those "new features".<br /><br />And both exams are only half the way to the MCDBA certification. If you're going that way, focus on the 2003 server road rather than 2000 one.<br /><br /><br /><br />-----------------------<br />--Frank<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://www.insidesql.de>http://www.insidesql.de</a><br />-----------------------<br />
  5. chopeen Member

    quote:Originally posted by satya

    I know of people who have studied for one day for MS certification exams using just sample exams and with very little practical experience with the tools and technologies but have sailed through the exam.

    During the exam he must've been lucky enough to get the same questions that he saw in sample exams or I don't how to explain this.
    In my opinion, those exams are pretty hard. But, on the other hand, it's only a little bit more than a year, since I've been in databases field.


    quote:Originally posted by satya

    If you're preparing to take the 70-228 or 70 229 exams, you've probably already seen the wide array of preparation materials on the shelves of your local bookstore.

    Not in Polish bookstores. Fortunately, there are online bookstores.

    --

    'You're so cute when you're frustrated.' -- Interpol
  6. FrankKalis Moderator

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by chopeen</i><br />Not in Polish bookstores. Fortunately, there are online bookstores.<br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br />I did buy the German version, because they also contain the english originals in HTML help format on CD [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />]<br /><br />-----------------------<br />--Frank<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://www.insidesql.de>http://www.insidesql.de</a><br />-----------------------<br />
  7. chopeen Member

    quote:Originally posted by bradmcgehee

    I have taken and passed 31 different certification tests
    Out of curiosity, how long did it take you to acomplish this?

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    'You're so cute when you're frustrated.' -- Interpol
  8. bradmcgehee New Member

    It took 3 years to pass the 31 exams.

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  9. Twan New Member

    Hi guys,<br /><br />Like Brad, I too am a certification junkie... almost have to be as a contractor. Organinisations seem to pretty much expect lots of letters after a name...<br /><br />Do you take them? (How about passing? ) - yes<br /><br />Do you find them hard? - some of them are difficult, e.g. the windows server 2003 exams... others are easy, and I'd say that the SQL ones are probably the easiest of them really...<br /><br />Do you think that they test skills really needed by a DBA? - they test some skills, but as per Brad, the proof is really in experience<br /><br />Do they help you to get a better job / a raise? - yes, I've been contracting for almost 15 years now and as I said organisations expect letters... <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt=';-)' /><br /><br />Cheers<br />Twan
  10. ykchakri New Member

    I'm both an MCDBA and OCP. But, I'm not very happy about it. Because I don't think any of these exams really tested my practical skills in their resepective topics.

    Seriously, you can't expected to be sit infront of a computer clicking A,B,C for 2 hours and be judged about your skills.

    The only exam that I like is the one for OCM (Oracle Certified Master), where you and a server will be locked in a room and you need to fix the errors in this server in a specified time frame. I hope I can attempt this exam some day.
  11. chopeen Member

    quote:Originally posted by bradmcgehee

    It took 3 years to pass the 31 exams.
    Impressive!

    My plan is to pass 2-3 exams per year.

    --

    'You're so cute when you're frustrated.' -- Interpol
  12. chopeen Member

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by FrankKalis</i><br /><br /><br />I did buy the German version, because they also contain the english originals in HTML help format on CD [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />]<br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br />Which version do you read? German one or English one?<br /><br />I, for one, discovered some time ago that I don't even know proper Polish database terms. When I talk about databases (and computers in general), I use English words all the time.<br /><br />--<br /><br /><i>'You're so cute when you're frustrated.'</i> -- Interpol
  13. FrankKalis Moderator

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by chopeen</i><br /><br />Which version do you read? German one or English one?<br />...<br />I, for one, discovered some time ago that I don't even know proper Polish database vocabulary. When I talk about databases (and computers in general), I use English words all the time.<br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br />Same here. I'm more used to the english technical terms. <br />I do have serious problems understanding the German translations, because they also tried to translate those techical terms to German, which looks quite funny to me.<br />However, I bought the books before I realized that I could take the test in English. Had I known this before, I would have bought the English ones.<br />Anyway, they look quite good on a bookshelf. [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />]<br /><br />-----------------------<br />--Frank<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://www.insidesql.de>http://www.insidesql.de</a><br />-----------------------<br />
  14. rweinstein New Member

    What exams do you have to pass to become a MCDBA? Also, what is an OCP and what exams do you have to take for those?

    Thanks.
  15. Twan New Member

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  17. kish New Member

    I have cleared my 7-228 exam. I am preparing for the 70-229 one.
    It adds to your profile and if oyu see in most of the DBA requirements MCDBA's are preferred.
    So I think its good to have cleared these ones atleast since we all DBA's by profession.

    --Kishore
  18. FrankKalis Moderator

  19. mulhall New Member

    You pass one exam for basic technology understanding, and a further two exams for either DBA or Developer qualifications.

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