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Young People......

Discussion in 'The Lighter Side of Being a DBA' started by Luis Martin, Mar 23, 2007.

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  1. Luis Martin Moderator

    Why do young people assume, older people as dummies?<br /><br /><br />Last weekend I went to my brother in law's birthday. He's kind of young. Also his friends are much younger than me. <br />The story goes like this, there was a group of young people chatting about a book which I have read. I sat near by to try to make a conversation with them.<br /><br />Young guy: I am reading " I, Claudius", It's a great book but I cant remember the author.<br /><br />Me: The author is Robert Graves. (They just looked at me in silence)<br /><br />Young guy: I am reading it in the computer.<br /><br />Me: Where did you download the book?<br /><br />Young guy: It is very complicated to explain it to you.<br /><br />Me: OK.<br /><br />Why did he think it was hard to explain?<br />Was it that hard to tell me the source? <br />May be, he has a father who does not know nothing about computers and asks himself how can a mail go from Argentina to Hong Kong in a second without a stamp and a postman!<br /><br />That is the cost to be old and work with computers.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-6.gif' alt=':(' />]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Luis Martin<br />Moderator<br />SQL-Server-Performance.com<br /><br /><font size="1">All in Love is Fair <br />Stevie Wonder<br /></font id="size1"><br /><br /><font size="1">All postings are provided �AS IS� with no warranties for accuracy.</font id="size1"><br /><br /><br /><br />
    Luis Martin, Mar 23, 2007
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  2. Adriaan New Member

    They're young, they don't even know reading a book in print is much more relaxing than reading it from a computer screen.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />]<br /><br />Not a bad choice, as far as books go, but obviously they have a lot to learn. Lucky for them, it comes with time.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />]
    Adriaan, Mar 23, 2007
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  3. joechang New Member

    i am very surprised they said: "reading it the computer"

    as if one needed to specify the computer
    do young guys even know that once upon a time, books were printed on paper?
    joechang, Mar 23, 2007
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  4. Luis Martin Moderator

    My surprise is about, because I'm 58 years old, the guy think I can't understand anything about computers.



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    Luis Martin, Mar 23, 2007
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  5. FrankKalis Moderator

    I don't know the general trend, but here in Germany the generation 60+ is that segment of Internet users that is booming massively. [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />]<br /><br />--<br />Frank Kalis<br />Moderator<br />Microsoft SQL Server MVP<br />Webmaster:<a target="_blank" href=http://www.insidesql.de>http://www.insidesql.de</a>
    FrankKalis, Mar 25, 2007
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  6. Luis Martin Moderator

    Here, far away from that Frank.


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    Luis Martin, Mar 26, 2007
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  7. Roji. P. Thomas New Member

    Young men think old men are fools.<br />Old men know young men are fools<br /><br /><img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' /><br /><br /><br />Roji. P. Thomas<br />SQL Server MVP<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://toponewithties.blogspot.com>http://toponewithties.blogspot.com</a><br />
    Roji. P. Thomas, Mar 26, 2007
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  8. Luis Martin Moderator

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Roji. P. Thomas</i><br /><br />Young men think old men are fools.<br />Old men know young men are fools<br /><br /><img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' /><br /><br /><br />Roji. P. Thomas<br />SQL Server MVP<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://toponewithties.blogspot.com>http://toponewithties.blogspot.com</a><br /><br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br /><br />In the original post?, yes indeed.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />]<br /><br /><br />Luis Martin<br />Moderator<br />SQL-Server-Performance.com<br /><br /><font size="1">All in Love is Fair <br />Stevie Wonder<br /></font id="size1"><br /><br /><font size="1">All postings are provided “AS IS” with no warranties for accuracy.</font id="size1"><br /><br /><br /><br />
    Luis Martin, Mar 26, 2007
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  9. joechang New Member

    is it just us old farts commenting on this thread

    do any young guns want to weigh in
    joechang, Mar 26, 2007
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  10. Luis Martin Moderator

    I think young people knowing the business, don't sub estimate old people. Only young people who only now how to sent a mail think in different way.


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    Luis Martin, Mar 26, 2007
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  11. ghemant Moderator

    Why don't you take it as "It is difficult for him to make anyone understand; its his week point" but not yours. And if you are young at heart you are young always.


    Hemantgiri S. Goswami
    MS SQL Server MVP
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    "Humans don't have Caliber to PASS TIME , Time it self Pass or Fail Humans" - by Hemantgiri S. Goswami

    http://hemantgirisgoswami.blogspot.com
    ghemant, Mar 27, 2007
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  12. Luis Martin Moderator

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ghemant</i><br /><br />Why don't you take it as "It is difficult for him to make anyone understand; its his week point" but not yours. And if you are young at heart you are young always.<br /><br /><br />Hemantgiri S. Goswami<br />MS SQL Server MVP<br />-------------------------<br />"Humans don't have Caliber to PASS TIME , Time it self Pass or Fail Humans" - by Hemantgiri S. Goswami<br /><br /<a target="_blank" href=http://hemantgirisgoswami.blogspot.com>http://hemantgirisgoswami.blogspot.com</a><br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br /><br />I think I'm young at heart.<br />Thanks for kindly words Hemant.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />]<br /><br /><br />Luis Martin<br />Moderator<br />SQL-Server-Performance.com<br /><br /><font size="1">All in Love is Fair <br />Stevie Wonder<br /></font id="size1"><br /><br /><font size="1">All postings are provided “AS IS” with no warranties for accuracy.</font id="size1"><br /><br /><br /><br />
    Luis Martin, Mar 27, 2007
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  13. bradmcgehee New Member

    It used to be that I was the youngest person at most of the jobs where I have worked, and the pnly computer guru. Now, where ever I go, I am now almost always the oldest. I am still trying to get used to this feeling. But what I can tell the youngsters is that I actually used the original IBM PC with and 8088 CPU, 64K RAM and a 160K single-sided 5.25" floppy disk, and DOS 1.0. Not to many people can make this claim, or have that much experience. I may not know the latest trends, but I have lots of experience, and patience, when resolving very difficult problems.

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    bradmcgehee, Mar 28, 2007
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  14. Luis Martin Moderator

    "But what I can tell the youngsters is that I actually used the original IBM PC with and 8088 CPU, 64K RAM and a 160K single-sided 5.25" floppy disk, and DOS 1.0"<br /><br />And before that:<br /><br />Univac 90/30 bigger than my apartment and with 16KB RAM. <br />The OS must be loaded using thousands of 80 characters cards.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />] <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Luis Martin<br />Moderator<br />SQL-Server-Performance.com<br /><br /><font size="1">All in Love is Fair <br />Stevie Wonder<br /></font id="size1"><br /><br /><font size="1">All postings are provided �AS IS� with no warranties for accuracy.</font id="size1"><br /><br /><br /><br />
    Luis Martin, Mar 28, 2007
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  15. bradmcgehee New Member

    Gee, I just can't beat Luis. He is just way too old. <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-5.gif' alt=';-)' /><br /><br />--------------------------------<br />Brad M. McGehee, SQL Server MVP<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://www.sqlbrad.com>http://www.sqlbrad.com</a>
    bradmcgehee, Mar 29, 2007
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  16. ghemant Moderator

    hi,
    I started learning on IBM 80386 with 8MB Ram,DOS in 1997.

    Hemantgiri S. Goswami
    MS SQL Server MVP
    -------------------------
    "Humans don't have Caliber to PASS TIME , Time it self Pass or Fail Humans" - by Hemantgiri S. Goswami

    http://hemantgirisgoswami.blogspot.com
    ghemant, Mar 29, 2007
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  17. CanadaDBA New Member

    I am not as old as Luis. Still 12 years behind. <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' /><br /><br />But I remember started with IBM 360 and PC/XT 8088. And my 17 years old son is asking me to buy a quad core computer for him and take his Pentium III 1G Hz. Does it make any difference to chat or surf Internet with either of these computers? <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' /> <br /><br />But I must confess, although he is a high school student and has had no academic computer class but he is a genius in building professional websites rapidly.<br /><br /><br />CanadaDBA
    CanadaDBA, Mar 29, 2007
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  18. mmarovic Active Member

    Hey people, you are so funny [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />] Especially Luis, I had a good lough recently reading your posts [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />]
    mmarovic, Mar 29, 2007
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  19. Luis Martin Moderator

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by CanadaDBA</i><br /><br />I am not as old as Luis. Still 12 years behind. <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' /><br /><br />But I remember started with IBM 360 and PC/XT 8088. And my 17 years old son is asking me to buy a quad core computer for him and take his Pentium III 1G Hz. Does it make any difference to chat or surf Internet with either of these computers? <img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' /> <br /><br />But I must confess, although he is a high school student and has had no academic computer class but he is a genius in building professional websites rapidly.<br /><br /><br />CanadaDBA<br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br /><br />That's the sons problem. Justify why they want quad core to surf, chat or play, when his father is an expert.[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />]<br /><br />Luis Martin<br />Moderator<br />SQL-Server-Performance.com<br /><br /><font size="1">All in Love is Fair <br />Stevie Wonder<br /></font id="size1"><br /><br /><font size="1">All postings are provided “AS IS” with no warranties for accuracy.</font id="size1"><br /><br /><br /><br />
    Luis Martin, Mar 29, 2007
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  20. jezemine New Member

    don't know if i am considered old at 36. probably by some, but probably not by Luis! [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />] <br /><br />I started with a apple II+ in the 80's in elementary school. applesoft basic was my first computer language. i subscribed to some magazine, can't remember the name, that has listings of programs that you had to type in - no downloading in those days! some of the listings were even machine language! <br /><br />used to spend hours playing Wizardry...<br /><br /><hr noshade size="1">www.elsasoft.org <br />
    jezemine, Mar 29, 2007
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  21. satya Moderator

    Hmm, lot of inner feelings on this thread, thanks Luis. A mixture of young guns and old canons [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />].<br /><br />I have started my exp. with Commodore 64 in the year 1983...<br /><br /><b>Satya SKJ</b><br />Microsoft SQL Server MVP<br />Writer, Contributing Editor & Moderator<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://www.SQL-Server-Performance.Com>http://www.SQL-Server-Performance.Com</a><br /><center><font color="teal"><font size="1">This posting is provided AS IS with no rights for the sake of <i>knowledge sharing. <hr noshade size="1">The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind.</i></font id="size1"></font id="teal"></center>
    satya, Apr 2, 2007
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  22. joechang New Member

    i think making a 17 year old endure a PIII 1GHz is cruel and inhuman,
    think about the graphics controllers back then

    but then you need to teach the youngster about good pc buying strategy,
    the key is not getting the latest and most expensive
    but to be on a quick turn, that is, replacement in 1-2 years,

    so a decent dual core (no price advantage in single core)
    preferably Core2 with its great floating performance, a mid-range graphics card (1 step up from the embedded Intel graphics)

    this will give him decent game playing ability
    (does he need to study?, or is that a non-issue?)
    joechang, Apr 5, 2007
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  23. Luis Martin Moderator

    Let me play the child role.....<br /><br />Can I play with that?[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />]<br /><br />Luis Martin<br />Moderator<br />SQL-Server-Performance.com<br /><br /><font size="1">All in Love is Fair <br />Stevie Wonder<br /></font id="size1"><br /><br /><font size="1">All postings are provided �AS IS� with no warranties for accuracy.</font id="size1"><br /><br /><br /><br />
    Luis Martin, Apr 5, 2007
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  24. satya Moderator

    Thats what my kids are with it, playing with a P4 1.8 ghz desktop everyday [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-1.gif' alt=':)' />].<br /><br /><b>Satya SKJ</b><br />Microsoft SQL Server MVP<br />Writer, Contributing Editor & Moderator<br /<a target="_blank" href=http://www.SQL-Server-Performance.Com>http://www.SQL-Server-Performance.Com</a><br /><center><font color="teal"><font size="1">This posting is provided AS IS with no rights for the sake of <i>knowledge sharing. <hr noshade size="1">The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind.</i></font id="size1"></font id="teal"></center>
    satya, Apr 6, 2007
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  25. FrankKalis Moderator

    My children use to hack a PIII 500. Still fast enough for their sort of games.

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    FrankKalis, Apr 9, 2007
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  26. Luis Martin Moderator

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by FrankKalis</i><br /><br />My children use to hack a PIII 500. Still fast enough for their sort of games.<br /><br />--<br />Frank Kalis<br />Moderator<br />Microsoft SQL Server MVP<br />Webmaster:<a target="_blank" href=http://www.insidesql.de>http://www.insidesql.de</a><br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br /><br />Just wait few years more[<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />]<br /><br />Luis Martin<br />Moderator<br />SQL-Server-Performance.com<br /><br /><font size="1">All in Love is Fair <br />Stevie Wonder<br /></font id="size1"><br /><br /><font size="1">All postings are provided “AS IS” with no warranties for accuracy.</font id="size1"><br /><br /><br /><br />
    Luis Martin, Apr 9, 2007
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  27. benwilson New Member

    ok, so I'm 26, so probably fall in to the 'young people' category...when it comes to older people and computers, i find that half of them know far more than i ever will (eg, you guys posting on this site!), and the other half have little to no idea!

    its funny though, my dad is 56, and well and truly knows his way around a computer and modern technology in general, but whenever my parents get a new piece of technology, mum is always asking me to come and set it up (even if i have never used anything like it before) so i think that shows that some older people have the same idea as the younger people Luis encountered!

    AS for reading, i love reading old fashioned books...cant stand to read for pleasure from a computer!

    'I reject your reality and substitute my own' - Adam Savage
    benwilson, Apr 12, 2007
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  28. joechang New Member

    1. if you know what a "book" printed on paper is
    2. if you have actually read one,

    then you have some elements of being an old fart with the rest of us
    hope this make you feel better

    other elements of being old:
    1. do you know what a floppy drive is, and how it got that name even though the 3.5in does not flop, ie, have you ever had a computer with 2 floppy drives, even better is if the hard drive was an option on your computer

    2. do you do DOS command shell programming,
    or do you still have the Windows 1.0 installation floppies
    or do you know what a DOS extender is?
    or have you done DOS TSR upper memory tweaking

    3. do you still have a serial (not USB) or parallel cable (and how many?)
    4. do you have any ISA (EISA, MCA) adapter cards (or any hardware modems)
    5. do you have a pre-VGA video card
    6. do you have a dot-matrix printer
    7. have you used a third-party tcp/ip stack
    joechang, Apr 12, 2007
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  29. Luis Martin Moderator

    "even better is if the hard drive was an option on your computer"

    Indeed. And cost for 5MB hard disk was $15000 (dollars)[:0].

    Luis Martin
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    SQL-Server-Performance.com

    All in Love is Fair
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    Luis Martin, Apr 12, 2007
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  30. CanadaDBA New Member

    Agree! Although I have a dual core laptop but need a desktop for myself. I guess I have to buy a Dual core for him and get the old one for myself. [:I]<br /><br />I recently upgraded its harddisk with a fast one and it has enough speed for me. [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />] But really new technology is cheap enough to convince you throw out your old PC even a P4.<br /><br />Do you remember the time you had to force DOS to use memory above 640k before running your app?!!<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by joechang</i><br /><br />i think making a 17 year old endure a PIII 1GHz is cruel and inhuman,<br />think about the graphics controllers back then<br /><br />but then you need to teach the youngster about good pc buying strategy,<br />the key is not getting the latest and most expensive<br />but to be on a quick turn, that is, replacement in 1-2 years,<br /><br />so a decent dual core (no price advantage in single core)<br />preferably Core2 with its great floating performance, a mid-range graphics card (1 step up from the embedded Intel graphics)<br /><br />this will give him decent game playing ability<br />(does he need to study?, or is that a non-issue?)<br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br /><br />CanadaDBA
    CanadaDBA, Apr 12, 2007
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  31. ghemant Moderator

    We used to do it in 1999.... and 10 GB Fuji HD @ 7200 RPM costs 8K INR/- <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by CanadaDBA</i><br /><br />Agree! Although I have a dual core laptop but need a desktop for myself. I guess I have to buy a Dual core for him and get the old one for myself. [:I]<br /><br />I recently upgraded its harddisk with a fast one and it has enough speed for me. [<img src='/community/emoticons/emotion-2.gif' alt=':D' />] But really new technology is cheap enough to convince you throw out your old PC even a P4.<br /><br />Do you remember the time you had to force DOS to use memory above 640k before running your app?!!<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by joechang</i><br /><br />i think making a 17 year old endure a PIII 1GHz is cruel and inhuman,<br />think about the graphics controllers back then<br /><br />but then you need to teach the youngster about good pc buying strategy,<br />the key is not getting the latest and most expensive<br />but to be on a quick turn, that is, replacement in 1-2 years,<br /><br />so a decent dual core (no price advantage in single core)<br />preferably Core2 with its great floating performance, a mid-range graphics card (1 step up from the embedded Intel graphics)<br /><br />this will give him decent game playing ability<br />(does he need to study?, or is that a non-issue?)<br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br /><br />CanadaDBA<br /><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"><br /><br />Hemantgiri S. Goswami<br />MS SQL Server MVP<br />-------------------------<br />"Humans don't have Caliber to PASS TIME , Time it self Pass or Fail Humans" - by Hemantgiri S. Goswami<br /><br /<a target="_blank" href=http://hemantgirisgoswami.blogspot.com>http://hemantgirisgoswami.blogspot.com</a>
    ghemant, Apr 12, 2007
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